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Anonymous
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I saw some documents to compare between Revit and AC.
I study Revit from own website.
It is just copy from AC!!

I used to work with AC (and very satisfied, and like many friends from AC-forum).
As AC-user I hope, AC must be better than Revit for Architects.

I have not used Revit, but just seen from Website.
The web-site from Revit is so nice, that I must believe, Revit should be better than AC.

I like to know your opinions and also opinions from GS.

Thanks
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Anonymous
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RLC, were you an AC user before you used Revit? Why are you switching?

And Chazz: Autodesk didn't plant me here. I'm a thorn in their side
Anonymous
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Archi wrote:
AC maybe not the best CAD, but the best for Architects.
Doesn't this mean simply that it is one of the best CAD programs? Since it is not competing with the best in aerospace, or structural engineering, or fabric design, etc. Neither are they competing with ArchiCAD.

I guess this does mean that you think it's better than Revit, since they are direct competitors.

I honestly can't say that I know Revit well enough to have a firm opinion. Now that I have XP on my MacBook maybe I'll download the demo (all I'll need is the spare time to try it out - what's the emoticon for not bloody likely?).
Anonymous
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metanoia wrote:
RLC, were you an AC user before you used Revit? Why are you switching?

And Chazz: Autodesk didn't plant me here. I'm a thorn in their side


Hi Wes,
Nope, never used Archicad before V10.
I 'spose it has to do with synergy with a program. Dumb things that make a program right for a user. All of my designing to date has been done in Softimage..been using it since 1998. Its, of course, an animation package, great modelling tools blah blah blah. Always struggled with Revit, not to say we haven't been able to document with it, but designing with it was out of the question. Not interactive enough, not immediate enough..the need to spin the model around instantly. I've always worked in perspective views.

Other dumb things, like selecting a wall icon, double clicking onto it and bringing up the properties box....and beautifully graphical at that.

Other things like the way you can trace off a flat 2d drawing so easily.

Its not the feature list either, they both do the same thing. For the same reason we picked Soft over Maya...same functionality, just a different work flow, a different philosophy, just a better touchy feely.

Do you know why we picked Autocad in the dark days of flat land drafting? The crossing window with the cursor! That was the only thing that I thought Autocad was good for was their object section tools and enough of a reason to pick it over all the others at the time.

Lots of things.....
Scott Davis
Contributor
RLC wrote:
Always struggled with Revit, not to say we haven't been able to document with it, but designing with it was out of the question. Not interactive enough, not immediate enough..the need to spin the model around instantly. I've always worked in perspective views.
I really don't understand this statement. I spin my models around instantly all the time in Revit, and use perspective views as part of my normal work flow.
RLC wrote:
Other dumb things, like selecting a wall icon, double clicking onto it and bringing up the properties box....and beautifully graphical at that.

Other things like the way you can trace off a flat 2d drawing so easily.
Are you talking about Revit or AC here?
Scott Davis
Autodesk, Inc.

On March 5, 2007 I joined Autodesk, Inc. as a Technical Specialist. Respectfully, I will no longer be actively participating in the Archicad-Talk fourms. Thank you for always allowing me to be a part of your community.
TomWaltz
Participant
Scott wrote:
RLC wrote:
Always struggled with Revit, not to say we haven't been able to document with it, but designing with it was out of the question. Not interactive enough, not immediate enough..the need to spin the model around instantly. I've always worked in perspective views.
I really don't understand this statement. I spin my models around instantly all the time in Revit, and use perspective views as part of my normal work flow.
I'm a bit confused here too. I thought one of Revit's MAJOR strengths was that is was about as interactive as humanly possible. Any more and it would require a Matrix mind-jack.
Tom Waltz
Anonymous
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sorry i have downloaded the demo copy of revit to make sure we have made the right decision and just don't get all the fuss if i was honest.

Firstly it's big push is on parametrics, linking objects to one another but to be honest it's a pain it the a@@. If i move a wall all the joists move with it, although it doesn't warn me that the joists have been stretched 2 metres so i need to resize them. Also when i get lots of objects connected to one another the thing throws up so many errors it's stupid.

Objects are a pain, i seem to need to create a separate object for every window, just in case i want to edit it in the future.

Don't even get me started on the model size!

Na sorry i think i will stick with ArchiCAD it's much more intuative and sensible, plus i have been stung by AutoDESK in the past.
Rakela Raul
Participant
linking objects to one another
probably optional and linked as a default
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AC V6 to V18 - RVT V11 to V16
Anonymous
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That doesn't matter, when i am designing a building as a professional i want to be thinking about things, there will never be a substitute for the human brain what ever the system. I don't want a system to try and change everything for me as it might have massive design implications that i need to think about, thats why AC so suits my design approach
Scott Davis
Contributor
Spinner wrote:
If i move a wall all the joists move with it, although it doesn't warn me that the joists have been stretched 2 metres so i need to resize them.
If done properly, moving a wall ADJUSTS everything that the user has defined to be connected. The joists you mention will not need to be resized by you, because they will have automatically stretched the additional 2 meters.

I'm sure I would have similar frustrations using AC for the first time with little or no training.
Scott Davis
Autodesk, Inc.

On March 5, 2007 I joined Autodesk, Inc. as a Technical Specialist. Respectfully, I will no longer be actively participating in the Archicad-Talk fourms. Thank you for always allowing me to be a part of your community.
Scott Davis
Contributor
Spinner wrote:
there will never be a substitute for the human brain what ever the system.
Conversely, the human brain is prone to forgetfulness and errors. Drawing coordination and human error in the process is the number one reason millions of dollars are wasted every year in change orders.
Scott Davis
Autodesk, Inc.

On March 5, 2007 I joined Autodesk, Inc. as a Technical Specialist. Respectfully, I will no longer be actively participating in the Archicad-Talk fourms. Thank you for always allowing me to be a part of your community.