Petros wrote:
Dwight ,
how many times have you seen a post here asking about a proper plan representation of SEO's?
I've seen it in every forum (from wishes to cd's). -from experienced and new users.
How many official responses did they get?
Is this considered a "meaningless banter"?

And please note that people are arguing just for a response and not yelling for a "fix it right now" solution.

quoted for emphasis and agreement.

I've also been curious about the SEO's 2D representation problems for the last 3 or so versions since its been in existence and have probably brought it up once or twice in the forums and wishes sections. But I guess since GS have not, and seemingly will not, respond via private message to me nor even via their own forum, I guess I have been engaging in meaningless banter all this time. Wish I knew.

Isn't it always so refreshing to have one's serious concerns (concerns that have been brought up in a level-headed and respectful way many times, mind you), be so flippantly dismissed by others as being no more important than idle and bothersome chatter?

Bricklyne wrote:
I guess since GS have not, and seemingly will not, respond via private message to me nor even via their own forum, I guess I have been engaging in meaningless banter all this time. Wish I knew.

Even though i know that you intend sarcasm, that's about right.

There's no answer, or there's no one tasked to answer, or they don't care to answer since it extends an embarrassing thread that can get picked up and broadcast through search engines to sully the product, or some idiot DOES answer you and that just makes you MORE angry. For instance: ten years ago when i was getting serious about rendering in Archicad, I complained to HQ about material texture quality. An executive replied to me: "They can always buy the Artlantis shaders." Right. Abandon the internal engine i already paid for, BUY ANOTHER APPLICATION and then BUY MORE SHADERS!!! This is like Marie Antoinette saying "let them eat cake" when she doesn't mean chocolate cake but something else. Angry, me.

All-in-all, if i had a software company in Hungary, I'd tell my people to STFU in the face of difficult questions, too. See this video to know what i mean.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gCCjFbFXn8

I feel that encouraging persistent ranting or nagging on the forum because users don't get the responses they want from Graphisoft descends to the level of meaningless banter and alienates other users. This is because I believe that in the rare instance when HQ CAN give a positive answer, it happens.
Furthermore, some writing styles lend themselves to be interpreted as whining and flat-out unreasonable complaining, itself alienating.
You don't want to be getting the Adalbert Award, now.

Isn't it always so refreshing to have one's serious concerns (concerns that have been brought up in a level-headed and respectful way many times, mind you), be so flippantly dismissed by others as being no more important than idle and bothersome chatter?

oh yes, the drama and pathos...
I can assure you that GS hears you and they are aware of 'issues'. I can't tell whether they fix it soon or later or ever, however making a theatrical piece out of it and hoping for some Deus ex machina (being consistent with theatrical terms) just because you will keep the pitch of your voice at the level of a feisty opera singer. It will not give you any answers...

Rob wrote:

Isn't it always so refreshing to have one's serious concerns (concerns that have been brought up in a level-headed and respectful way many times, mind you), be so flippantly dismissed by others as being no more important than idle and bothersome chatter?

oh yes, the drama and pathos...
I can assure you that GS hears you and they are aware of 'issues'. I can't tell whether they fix it soon or later or ever, however making a theatrical piece out of it and hoping for some Deus ex machina (being consistent with theatrical terms) just because you will keep the pitch of your voice at the level of a feisty opera singer. It will not give you any answers...

Rob if you're quite happy with the product the way it is, (and one would have to assume so, from your pointlessly dismissive comments, that this is the case) then I'm happy for you. Good on you good for you; go forth mint more success for you and yours.

However, 2 things;

1)your contentment that doesn't mean that anyone else who has concerns or issues with the program and the lack of responses from GS about it has to bottle it and just swallow them up, sing hallelujahs and praises like yourself. You have just as much right as to praise the product just as others have to criticize it and voice their complaints - particularly as those complaints are with regards to concerns impede their ability to similarly mint their own little worlds of success like you.

The difference to me, it seems, is that those voicing genuine complaints and raising real issues don't seem to be dismissing or belittling those without complaints or the cheering squad, as the case may be.
But that's okay, as it clearly says more about you than it does about me or any of the complainers. So keep it up - I'm sure it does wonders for the good old ego.

2)If these complaints and issues really do qualify as meaningless banter or drama and pathos as you oh-so-wittily put it, then I guess the really reeeally important question is; who is it that has a big gun to your head who's is forcing you to participate in what, obviously seems to be such a big ugly smudge on your neat and perfect little world, in what is meaningless banter, a big waste of time and a general annoyance and nuisance? And how can we get him to stop it at once? Last time I checked, it's a free world (well, mostly anyway) and one can choose to ignore things that annoy them or that they feel is beneath them not deserving of their attention, and simply not respond. It's easy; just ask GS.

Of course, one would have to be forgiven for assuming that nobody forced you to partake of this meaningless banter and all the drama, but, appearances can be deceiving.

In any case, I'm not hoping for a Deus ex machina (seems way too complicated and overwrought) or anything of that grand nature.
A response every now and then, and a generally more frequent presence would be a nice start though.

Autodimensions

David wrote:
Autodimensions

What about them? Do you mean that they would be a great feature if they actually dimensioned the way an architect does?